Daughter for Dessert Ch 4 released for free!

Made for Chrome/Firefox. Note that there is a download option inside the game if you don’t want to run this online. However, you can not mix download/online versions if you want to continue on your previous path. E.g: If you played the first chapter online, you have to play the second chapter online.

This is the fourth chapter and sequel to the third game. It requires you to have finished the first three chapters before running this one (because your choices have consequences and are saved.)

A man and his daughter run a small diner together. He discovers that one of his employees has been writing a popular series of taboo erotica about them, which catalyses a long journey of sexual self-discovery.​

Any bugs or issues? Please email us at ricky@love-joint.com or get in touch by joining our Discord channel.

Play online
Download (Windows only)

Credits:

Production: Palmer
Writing: AW
Graphics: MuseX
Programming: Ricky

21 Comments on “Daughter for Dessert Ch 4 released for free!

  1. Daniel says:

    First of all great chapter as always i love your work i noticed on the menu screen there’s a “cheats” option are the cheats available for everyone or just Patreons if so what are these cheats.

  2. Lordbufu says:

    Nice the next chapter, great job on this game so far, been really enjoying it. Good mix of teasing and story telling in my opinion, if i wasnt poor AF you would have had another pledge 😉

    Keep up the good work, ill keep an eye out for more and ill chip in as soon as i can, the word needs more of this kinda quality stuff.

  3. Matt says:

    Pretty nice chapter as always! Still waiting for an opportunity to support your work, but keep doing the nice work!

    Also, no real daughter version this time around?

  4. BloodyMares says:

    No separation for real/adopted daughter versions anymore? I wonder why that is.

  5. Septic SUn says:

    For those asking/commenting about there not being a real daughter version. The main menu of Chapter 4 has customization option on the right side. That’s where you set it up for the real daughter version

  6. hardcok says:

    when will ch5 be released for free please?

  7. Ryan says:

    Why does it always say i have not played the previous games? I have played them all. It has been an interesting story thus far. Right now i apparently cannot play since i have not played the previous ones..

    • Ricky says:

      You probably flushed your browser cache (or maybe played them in incognito mode?). Remember to create a backup file when you you finish a chapter, that way you’ll never lost your progress.

  8. anonymous says:

    Is there any available walkthrough’s for any of the chapters ? I can’t find them anywhere

  9. Anonymous says:

    Can someone help me?
    I always get a black screen and can’t do anything when I hit continue for the first time.

  10. hardcok says:

    wow awsome man i love this can’t wait for ch5 so sxy having daughter watching. great stuff thankyou

  11. Anonymous says:

    I want to make it simple!

    Thank you!

  12. Anonymous says:

    my drivers are up to date, and it worked before the new chapter. how do i fix the black screen during the first chapter of the DfD ? after you pick the names ?

    • Ricky says:

      Close all your other browser tabs before playing, maybe you’re running our of memory. In this post there are very clear instructions of how you can contact us for help. Here is not the place.

  13. Henry says:

    I found this site 4 days ago and I’m a fan already. Excellent game, I’m really captivated by the plot and the characters, liked this game so much that I can not even explain, 10/10.

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We are looking for an additional writer to join our dev team!

We have grown quite a bit in the last few months, and so now we want to keep expanding the studio to deliver even more games to you guys. We are now looking for an additional writer for an upcoming game (and before you say anything, don’t worry; AW isn’t going anywhere, he just can’t work on two projects at once). You can check out this job posting for more info:

https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=47994&p=477819

Note that in that post it says you need Ren’Py experience (mainly because our script language is similar to Ren’Py and hence you would have an easier time starting off. This is a big plus but keep in mind not required. We have an extensive manual explaining everything you need to know in order to get working, and even the unitiated can indeed apply. The most  important factor is that you are strong in emphasizing sexual tension and slow buildup in your story. Have you played our other games you probably already know what we’re looking for.

If you are interested, check out the thread I linked to find out how you apply (don’t comment here). Please include any previous work that can be relative or write some kind of short story that contains the features we are looking for, should you not have written something before.

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Daughter for Dessert Ch 3 released for free!

Made for Chrome/Firefox. Note that there is a download option inside the game if you don’t want to run this online. However, you can not mix download/online versions if you want to continue on your previous path. E.g: If you played the first chapter online, you have to play the second chapter online.

This is the third chapter and sequel to the first game. It requires you to have finished the first and second chapter before running this one (because your choices have consequences and are saved.)

A man and his daughter run a small diner together. He discovers that one of his employees has been writing a popular series of taboo erotica about them, which catalyses a long journey of sexual self-discovery.​

Any bugs or issues? Please email us at ricky@love-joint.com or get in touch by joining our Discord channel.

Real daughter version
Adopted daughter version

Credits:

Production: Palmer
Writing: AW
Graphics: MuseX
Programming: Ricky

35 Comments on “Daughter for Dessert Ch 3 released for free!

  1. switters says:

    Awesome! Thanks again for releasing each chapter of this game for free once a new chapter comes out for Patreons. It’s turning out to be a great game and is worth the wait between releases. I look forward to the day I have some extra funds to become a Patreon and can run the game with voice. That’s not something you see very often in adult games and makes DFD stand out.

    You guys are killing it creating games. Just really great talent on your team both with the visuals and the story. I really look forward to your future projects after DFD is done. I hope you return to PWU at some point and add some of the scenes shown at the end of the game as I’m a huge fan of PWU.

    Thanks again to you and your team, Palmer.

  2. Anonymous says:

    merci

  3. Anonymous says:

    Am I able to play this on mobile? I played the first 2 just fine in browser buy now chapter 2 and 3 are all blurry and I can’t read the words chapter one is still fine for me.

  4. xgeza66 says:

    Hi,
    I’d like to ask are there any specific walkthrough for the available 3 chapters? I tied many options but couldn’t figure out the path i wanted…. (could be possible that what i wanted is not possible though^^) so the question is it possible to be with Kathy or not? Other thing i’m curious how can i get the scene with heidi behind the bar counter showing her ass (or this is just a concept for further chapters) ? thanks for the answers.

    Btw, really impressive game and fantastic work with the 3d models, looking forward to experience the new chapters 😀

    • Shadow says:

      You can get the scene with Heidi by doing the bartending job, and winning (do a good job), as for Kathy there is a scene at the end of 3 but as for more we have to wait for next episode…

      I’d like to know if there any chance on actually getting with the daughter or not 😉

      • xgeza66 says:

        Thanks for the answer just found out the way with Heidi yesterday and just trying with Kathy. I downloaded the adopted daughter version and she is not my priority atm, but after Kathy i’ll try that route too 🙂 Atm only have a scene i ch3 for daughter afaik.

  5. Bunny says:

    Wow! This game is amazing <3 I'm loving it upload more chapters plsss
    Please finish chapter 4 im waiting it
    Btw, im really impressive about the game plus fantastic work with 3d models,looking forward to experience the new chapters
    Thanks again to you and your team, Palmer.

  6. fakename says:

    Can someone please post a walkthrough???

  7. Anonymous says:

    Only recently found out about these games (thanks to playforceone site), I am really enjoying the story (not a huge fan of the daughter / adopted daughter romance side of things), good amounts of humour and a really nice art style.

    Also major respects to you and everyone involved for bringing out new episodes on a monthly basis from what I have seen of your last posts.

    Might have to bite the bullet and become a patron (a first for me)

  8. Anonymous says:

    I have completed 1 and made a backup of the game file at the end. Ch. 2 loaded fine and let me play. I also made a backup of the file at the very end of Ch. 2. Ch. 3 when it loads the backup file for Ch. 2 keeps telling me it looks like I have not completed Ch 2 and makes me play it over. I have several times and still really enjoy it! Any ideas what I’m doing wrong? This game is awesome and I’d like to play Ch. 3.

    Thanks for your hard work!

    • Ricky says:

      You don’t need to save “at the very end” of the game. You need to properly FINISH the episode (in which you see the end screen and a button to return to the main menu). After finish a chapter, then you can create a proper backup of it.

  9. Homo says:

    For which date is the estimated release Daughter for Dessert Ch 4 for free?

  10. Brandon Cox says:

    when/how can a $10 patreon play chapter 4?

  11. Anonymous says:

    Might want to start adding these to the games tab.

  12. Conor says:

    When will versions for mac users be released? Would love to play, but can’t because of my OS :c

  13. hardcok says:

    what an awsome game i love it

  14. Takazze says:

    Sorry, I meant to place my comment here instead of chapter 2 since its more recent and the question makes more sense after finishing chapter 3;

    …Wow, this has to be one of the best adult games I’ve played!!! The graphics are excellent, actual voice acting (beyond the typical grunts or moans),the characters, and the story itself is really keeping me on the edge of my seat because I want to see what my decisions lead to! I also really like how it has an actual story to it rather than constant scenes that lack any depth. This game might be the first time I become a patreon!
    My only question is will it be possible to get both Kathy and the daughter? If not it’s going to be hard to make one or both of them sad:(

  15. willim says:

    …Wow, this has to be one of the best adult games I’ve played!!! The graphics are excellent, actual voice acting (beyond the typical grunts or moans),the characters, and the story itself is really keeping me on the edge of my seat because I want to see what my decisions lead to! I also really like how it has an actual story to it rather than constant scenes that lack any depth. This game might be the first time I become a patreon!
    My only question is will it be possible to get both Kathy and the daughter? If not it’s going to be hard to make one or both of them sad:(

  16. billy says:

    when will chapter 4 be released

  17. hardcok says:

    when will ch 4 be released for free please

  18. William Boyles says:

    i need ch3 please

  19. Red says:

    chapter 4? I love the games, really well made, some of the best out there by far and would love to keep seeing them coming. Is chapter 4 coming out for free soon?

  20. Anonymous says:

    Can you make this downloadable for Mac please!

  21. Darryl says:

    How do I get this on patreon

  22. Randy says:

    I just want to say that these visual novels you guys make are the best adult visual novels that I have every played, and that all the effort you guys put into your games is appreciated. Especially with the story, choices, and characters. Take your time, and do what you want to do. Also, I hope life treats you and your team well. Just a quick question/suggestion though, on your game-jolt page can you set your games for name your price so people who wish to donate can do it while also making your game free when it is released to the public?

  23. A Good Cookie says:

    My sources tell me that the game should be released for free tomorrow, Feb 17th. Don’t @ me

  24. Kristie says:

    Any release date for Ch.4?

  25. Riffraff says:

    Any Idea when Chapter 4 is landing?

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Daughter for Dessert Ch 2 released for free!



Made for Chrome/Firefox. Note that there is a download option inside the game if you don’t want to run this online. However, you can not mix download/online versions if you want to continue on your previous path. E.g: If you played the first chapter online, you have to play the second chapter online.

This is the second chapter and sequel to the first game. It requires you to have finished the first chapter before running this one (because your choices have consequences and are saved.)

A man and his daughter run a small diner together. He discovers that one of his employees has been writing a popular series of taboo erotica about them, which catalyses a long journey of sexual self-discovery.​

Any bugs or issues? Please comment below and we’ll fix it asap.

Real daughter version: http://love-joint-games.com/DfD/public/ch2/_RD_
Adopted daughter version: http://love-joint-games.com/DfD/public/ch2/safe/

Credits:

Production: Palmer
Writing: AW
Graphics: MuseX
Programming: Ricky

35 Comments on “Daughter for Dessert Ch 2 released for free!

  1. Ymir says:

    Walkthroughs for DFD chap 1 and 2 please!

  2. Ymir says:

    And release date for freeware of DFD 3 please!?

  3. Anonymous says:

    Just played the downloaded RD version. I need to report that the conversation in the park is bugged. I can’t pick any subject other than talk about the future which moves the story forward…Well, I can actually, it just skips the conversation and later shows that all topics were exhausted. Can anyone investigate this?

    • Ricky says:

      Is not a bug, it was intended. “Talk about the future” is the only option that let you advance in that part of the game.

      • Anonymous says:

        You didn’t get it. When you select the options, nothing happens. No text. No conversation. Nothing. Normally when you have options to choose from, they lead somewhere, at least a sentence of text. In this case it just skips to the next menu with other options to choose from until you pick the correct one, like it fails to trigger other conversation topics due to a bug.

  4. ryan says:

    when is number 3 for release

  5. Shaun McHale says:

    how do you connect with veronica in chapter 2

  6. Arthur Kelly says:

    I just finished 2 and went to download 3 and it is not available for download only online which of course means starting over….no. And I see no option for the daughter version either as is available above for 2.

  7. vertigo says:

    this compatible with mac?

  8. Homi says:

    Hi Ricky, hi Palmer, I’ve played the downloadable version and I run in the same error during the conversation in the park like mentioned above. The only working option is “Talk about the future” – this error occors in both “flavors” of the game. If I select one of the other options the menu disappears and shows up immidiately without the selected option.

    And then I’ve a question: Will there be a soundtrack of the music used in the game – you’ve selected some real nice pieces. Or at least a kind of playlist with the title informations. — Pretty please

    • Ricky says:

      Is not a bug. “Talk about the future” is the only option that let you advance in that part of the game. I just re-tested the chapter and everything seems fine. If you still think there is a problem, please re-download it. You can also send me an email to ricky@love-joint.com or contact me in our Discord channel (https://discord.gg/UezsBTv) if you need further assistance.

      • Homi says:

        I’ve downloaded it again on Dec 31st and now in the mentioned conversation are two usable options “Talk about the diner” and “Talk about the future” but the other two options behave like before. (Click on the option and the option menu appears again immidiately without any comment by the daughter).
        IMO these is a bad player expirience at least there should be a short reaction like “I wont talk about this at the moment” (or something) and first after this the option menu should be shown again.

        • Ricky says:

          Now I got what you mean (it seems that only happens with saves). I’ll be investigating this issue. Thanks.

          • Fernando_Coruja says:

            I loved the game so much that I played both DFD 1 and 2 repeatedly, to check the development of events. The mentioned dialog issue didn’t happen to me when I chose a specific set of choices, but happened when I followed a different path. I don’t remember exactly what I chose for each, tough. I hope to have helped somehow.

    • Ricky says:

      This was fixed. Thanks for your report.

  9. Brandon says:

    Hey guys, Just thought id let you know about a bug in CH2 in the conversation about the jukebox after you leave the laundramat. Got to the end of the conversation and the whole UI disappeared and now im stuck looking at Amanda. Its not frozen like the sounds are still there and i can still tilt the camera, its just not progressing

  10. lucas says:

    i love this game

  11. Fernando_Coruja says:

    Hi! I would like to know when are you going to update all game links in the GAMES session of the blog: http://love-joint.com/blog/index.php/games/

    So far there’s only E:SA and PWU1. Please, put them all together there. It would help a lot to find them 😀

    • Palmer says:

      I’m hoping to update the entire site as soon as possible, which is way overdue. Meanwhile you can find all the other games on our Patreon page.

  12. Robert P. Garding says:

    Love this game. Played one and two and now waiting for three.

  13. jimmy lovell says:

    i have played three and four three is great , with a nice unexpected, out ‘COME’ IF, YOU MAKE RIGHT PICKS . four is to short should of been added to three, a disappointment to say the lest.

  14. Ashh says:

    Can this game be played in android.?

  15. hgalagia says:

    Hey, just dropping by to thank you for the game, the graphics are really good! But, the downloaded version seems to be showing an issue. I’m using 7zip to extract the files and it’s displaying a message that I need an adm permission to move the file (it’s my own PC and my account it’s the only in the system).

    A little bit further, I noticed that there’s an error with the “CERTIFICATE” file. I’m no tech savvy, but I would appreciate some help. I’ve been having this problem with all the 3 downloaded versions. So, any help would be highly appreciated.

    Thanks!

  16. Qwomos says:

    The game doesn’t load anymore. I get a black screen when I click on both links.

  17. Takazze says:

    …Wow, this has to be one of the best adult games I’ve played!!! The graphics are excellent, actual voice acting (beyond the typical grunts or moans),the characters, and the story itself is really keeping me on the edge of my seat because I want to see what my decisions lead to! I also really like how it has an actual story to it rather than constant scenes that lack any depth. This game might be the first time I become a patreon!
    My only question is will it be possible to get both Kathy and the daughter? If not it’s going to be hard to make one or both of them sad:(

  18. willim says:

    …Wow, this has to be one of the best adult games I’ve played!!! The graphics are excellent, actual voice acting (beyond the typical grunts or moans),the characters, and the story itself is really keeping me on the edge of my seat because I want to see what my decisions lead to! I also really like how it has an actual story to it rather than constant scenes that lack any depth. This game might be the first time I become a patreon!
    My only question is will it be possible to get both Kathy and the daughter? If not it’s going to be hard to make one or both of them sad:(

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Daughter for Dessert Ch 3 released for $10 patrons

Our biggest chapter yet. Hope you enjoy it! We killed ourselves for this one and there might be some bugs remaining; hence the 0.9 version number.

Click here to become a patron and play right now!
This of course also means we will be releasing Ch 2 for free soon.

 

8 Comments on “Daughter for Dessert Ch 3 released for $10 patrons

  1. Bobbby says:

    Finally! Been waiting to play this!

  2. Anonymous says:

    Are There sex scenes in dfd ir 3?

  3. Anonymous says:

    Wondering when chapter 3 will be released free? Just read the first 2 and its amazing.. My only feedback is that i wish the options would effect the story a lot more, id definately pay if it did. If chapter 3 is even better than the first 2 id definately consider becoming a patron!

  4. Anonymous says:

    We just do have pay 10$ in one time for this chap or we do pay 10$ per month ?
    Thank’s

  5. Anonymous says:

    Not to spoil the ending, but is there multiple “endings” involved with Amanda, or is it just that one? I assume this question should be enough to tell what I mean.

  6. gust says:

    When is the free release of chapter 3, don’t want to sound as a douche, but im a student and don’t have money to pay every month, really loved this novel

  7. dan colitzas says:

    dude I paid 10 bucks on your patreon page now how do I access the damn games

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Daughter for Dessert Ch1 released for free!


We are now releasing the very first version of DFD for free. This is the first chapter (v1.0) of Daughter for Dessert, a visual novel revolving around a father and daughter trying to run a café. However, there are plenty of things distracting our playable character…

Note this game is available in two versions: in the first link the “daughter” is an actual daughter. In the second link she’s just adopted and there is no blood relationship. All characters are above 18 of course.

Real daughter version: http://love-joint-games.com/DfD/public/ch1/_RD_/index.html
Adopted daughter version: http://love-joint-games.com/DfD/public/ch1/safe/index.html

Credits:

Production: Palmer
Writing: AW
Graphics: MuseX
Programming: Ricky

42 Comments on “Daughter for Dessert Ch1 released for free!

  1. Morpheas says:

    Any chance of getting an offline downloadable versions so we dont need an internet connection to play the game?

  2. switters says:

    I just tried this out and it looks to have real promise. I admit the father/stepfather angle isn’t really my cup of tea but different strokes for different folks as they say and I’m not here to judge. For some reason it was easier for me with PWU being a stepbrother rather than in DFD being a stepfather (or father if that’s the players choice). Other than that not a bad story so far.

    Anyway the female characters look really great. I’m partial to the dark haired friend, d’oh can’t remember the name. You don’t find many adult games where the female wears glasses and it’s kind of a turn on for me. I hope you guys have some upskirt teasing in store like you did in PWU. I find that extremely hot and not many games that I’ve played have that. Keep up the great work! I really appreciate you releasing the first chapter for free. Hopefully in the next couple of months I can join the $10 Patreon and play the rest as it comes out. The voice acting sounds like a great concept since the majority of games don’t have anything like that. You and your team are putting out some really amazing content at a very fast pace and I hope you’re able to continue. I can’t wait to see the rest of this story and hopefully additions to PWU (really want to see more of Alice). Thanks again for all your hard work!

    • switters says:

      I meant to type adopted father not stepfather above. Speaking of that I appreciate you creating the option to choose daughter or adopted daughter. It lets those of us who find the actual blood daughter (or sister in PWU) a bit too taboo for their taste to enjoy your games but also satisfies those who are into that kink with the option of actual daughter. Kudos to you

  3. Anonymous says:

    There’s an instance in the real daughter version where MC tells Kathy Amanda’s adopted, when they’re talking out back. Also that sort of achievement screen on PWU’s main menu would go a long way here!

    • Anonymous says:

      I just downloaded the ‘real daughter’ version and I had Kathy tell me Amanda was adopted after I told her she had a reader.

  4. orgjpo says:

    Game is not starting and stucks at this scene:

    https://i.hizliresim.com/YOEBnA.png

  5. Alex2011 says:

    I love it so far, especially the fact that it has voice work, you don’t see that too often. One thing is starting to get to me, though. After four playthroughs, I have found none of the content for the daughter, only the first scene for the other. I tried different approaches each time without success, I can say the same of PWU ep2 for any character.

  6. orgjpo says:

    Its not from a scene after i launch the game this is what i see first.The computer is old but i have empty place.Its not important if its only me i don’t want to make you guys buys with it.

  7. Elias says:

    Are there any nude scenes in this free version yet? Great game so far! I love it.

  8. Rob E says:

    I have a question on version 1.5. I can run the free version fine, however when I start up the other one it gives me the black screen sometimes after the logo video finishes playing and a few moments after I click continue to the main menu. Any idea what’s causing this? Thanks!

  9. Zach Sweep says:

    Hey what was the main melody from Daughter of dessert Ch1

  10. Zach Sweep says:

    no i was wrong

  11. Zach Sweep says:

    seriously want is that melody i really like it

  12. Gamer says:

    I have a problem with downloadable version, when I unpack it my antivirus (Comodo) alerts about infected file and deletes .exe.

  13. Hoon says:

    Hi I have a question can you have sex with Kathy or Amanda yet?I beat chapter 1 and 2 and the only nude scenes i got were the nude texts from Kathy/white panties text of Amanda/ Anal masturbation scene with the bartender.

  14. Homi says:

    Hi Ricky, hi Palmer. I’ve downloaded the executable yesterday. I’ve started it on a Win7-System and after entering a player name and clicking the “New game” button I got this:
    ___________________________________________
    ############################################################################################
    ERROR in
    action number 1
    of Other Event: User Defined 0
    for object oProcessFile:

    File is not opened for reading.
    at gml_Object_oProcessFile_Other_10
    ############################################################################################

    The big problem then is that the program can only be killed by task manager. There is no way to close the game window otherwise.

    Remark:
    I got this message from both versions (normal and RD)

    Regards Homi (Ricky you know who I am since you fixed a similar bug in PWU Ep2).

    • Ricky says:

      Just unpack it right. That errors means the scene folder is missing.

      • Homi says:

        @Ricky, the scene folder exists but I think there were one scene file missing – which the was missed in the downloaded archive too.
        Nevertheless I’ve downloaded the archives again on Dec 21st and this time all was perfect.

  15. Anonymous says:

    Game does not work:

    ERROR in
    action number 1
    of Other Event: User Defined 0
    for object oProcessFile:

    File is not opened for reading.
    at gml_Object_oProcessFile_Other_10

    Help

  16. Anonymous says:

    Sorry to tell you that but we have now a new problem. ^^’
    At the end of our pause after the flashback, I have a permanent black screen. The game don’t crash and I can move the mouse but that’s it.

  17. Logrent says:

    Yeah same for me. Just after the break, my screen become clack, I still see the blue cursor but It don’t load.

  18. Marco says:

    Am I missing something or there are no sex scenes at all? That’s a major problem for an erotic game.

    • Homi says:

      Hi Marco, that’s not a problem. You only have read chapter 1(!!!) of a long story. Be patient and play/read chapter two before you complain about somethings is missing. 🙂

  19. Logrent says:

    After trying with the non-Daughter version to pass the black screen and then switch with the real daughter: The game is buggy and a lot of text don’t appear.

    • Homi says:

      It isn’t possible to mix up both versions. The savestands are incompatible(!!!).
      Like Ricky wrote above download the game again.
      I for myself have downloaded both versions on Dec 21st and played them without any problems.

  20. Steve says:

    Hey!
    my name´s Steve.

    Great story,
    great graphics,,
    but why is it such lame between the sceens.
    Is there need for gaming machine .
    And I think, it´s too much dialogs during the story and many foreigners have problems with slang.

    win 10
    8 GB DDR4
    2GB Graphic GEFORCE
    Intel i5

    regards Steve

  21. Hyphorms says:

    Any walkthrough?

  22. Anonymous says:

    ok so what are the differences between the real daughter version and the adopted one? i mean other than the fact that amanda is your daughter or not, does it affect the story in any way?

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Studio Crossroads

In one way, this is the hardest posts I’ve ever been inclined to post. In another, it’s also the most logical, given our current situation.
Our studio is at a crossroads. We’ve taken all the new revenue from PWU Ep2 and invested into new things. That’s already done and is going to happen. On the other hand, my policy of releasing everything for free might not work out anymore. Before you rage, here me out.
I started this with nothing but an AIF game. My Patreon quickly grew to $400 in the first month. I convinced a programmer to join me for a percentage deal of that and whatever was to come, and to this day, he is still with me (smart guy, aye?). In fact, today we are 7 people working on our games. All thanks to Emily: Sister Attraction. Wow(!)
I said several years ago that our games will always be released for free, and until now, they have been. That was something that was very important to to me. When I started I was alone, I just wanted feedback on whatever I did, which mainly came from forums. 
On the one hand, I now have to look at our competitors that have Patreon exclusive content all over the place and even micro transactions in-game. On the other hand, I have to think of this as as a game studio (which it is) that needs to at least pay for the people working here and hopefully even get some new games down the pipeline. Not to even mention the vow I took. I swore all of our games would be free. And to this day, I’m proud we’ve realized that. Not many game studios our size have. The question is: 
Is it a sound business strategy? It certainly was when I was alone. But now, with 7 people involved, is it still?
Yes, I realize; releasing the games for free is basically what separates us from the other developers. And I don’t fucking break my promises easily. But let’s say we could monetize 5% of the content of PWU Ep2 and use that to create more games, isn’t that worth it? And in saying this, keep in mind an extremely small portion (something like 5%) of a game would be Patreon-only (nothing story-altering, basically).
I’m not going to bore you for too long so this is basically what it comes down to (seen from a business perspective): Do we earn more, as a game studio, by releasing our games for free (after a while of being Patreon exclusive). Or do we earn more by having extremely limited content in our games be Patreon only? And how do I make that call?
This post is open to anyone, whether you are a patron or not. I don’t care. But your feedback, as always, would be appreciated. As always, that has been my motivation factor to keep continuing making games all this time.
More info on actual game studio updates coming soon.

11 Comments on “Studio Crossroads

  1. G.host says:

    A lot of devs I follow on Patreon (most of which make adult RPG/Visual novel games) usually make a “friendlier” version on the side and sell it on Steam (http://store.steampowered.com/) while putting all the “lewd” content on a patch that can be installed once the game is bought and downloaded on their library.

    That seems like a good strategy (to me): Patreon for “exclusive” previews of scenes, HD images, etc, that will be released once the games is out (to incentivise patrons to keep donating) + Steam “friendly” releases.

    Regardless of what you choose to do I gotta say the games are awesome and I wish the best of luck to you and your team

  2. JulienJaden says:

    I don’t blame you for putting this up for discussion. A promise you made under completely different circumstances still isn’t one you should break easily but it should still be something you can discuss.

    Personally, I think that keeping that promise and releasing everything for free (eventually) is something that, while it may be hard to put into numbers, does a lot to give you and your studio positive PR: You made a promise and you’re keeping it, showing an integrity and dedication to what you are saying to your fans and supporters that few people can compete with. There is a chance that some people will unsubscribe and no longer support you if you change that policy because they feel betrayed, and some could look at that “broken promise” and decide not to buy your games because of that. I can’t really tell you how big of a percentage that would be, but it’s something to keep in mind.

    You could certainly monetize a small percentage of the game by making it exclusive, or make the game slightly more difficult to play (but not unbeatable) for people who are playing the free version, and I guess both are valid strategies.
    That said, my experiences with these business models in the form of paid Day-One DLC (the former) and The Last Man (the latter) have made me feel deeply uncomfortable with that; it’s not perfectly rational when the game is free and you are basically paying for a little more comfort or extra content, but it’s very easy to get the impression that the game was intentionally made harder or that something that makes it better/more complete was ripped out and put behind a paywall – again, something that can have fallout in terms of subscriptions and sales.

    Your current model of earlier releases to paying subscribers and free public releases after a certain period of time seems to be working fairly well, but that’s just my impression, of course – I don’t know if you are really able to cover your expenses and live on that income or if you’re barely making ends meet at the end of the month.
    Extending the time between release and free release, or adding different tiers of release (release to 3rd tier subscribers, two weeks later 2nd tier subcribers, two weeks later 1st tier, two weeks later public) might boost your income and, at the same time, you would still keep your promise. I’m sure this could turn some people off as well, though, and I don’t know if that would really be a better business strategy.

    Ultimately, the choice is yours to make, but it definitely won’t be an easy one and there is always the chance that the benefits of one will be all but neutralized by its drawbacks.

  3. Morpheas says:

    So….you made a promise to release all games for free, and now you feel bad that you realize that you might not be able to keep that promise?

    Do you realize that if you break that promise, all you can be accused of is “But you promised! waaaaaa QQ”

    I say: So what. You didnt sign a contract, you are not married to your fans, you dont owe them anything. The only people you owe something to, are the people that actually pay to receive a certain product.
    Those people you have to keep your promises to. Patreon perks should be delivered, and as long as you do that, you’re fine.

    I dont understand why you stress so much about that.

    In any case, my humble opinion is this:
    I dont mind if 1 game (say PWU for instance) isnt free.
    But if you end up making ALL of your games have limited-to-patreons content, then that would probably be disappointing.
    I say, have 1 game be limited to Patreons only, until the next one is released.
    For example: PWU Episode X = Patreons Only. But when PWU Episode Y is released, Ep X will become free.

    I dont know if this model will work as a business model, but I do know this: You cannot possibly ever keep everyone happy.
    All you can do is try to make yourself and as many people as you can happy.

    So, at the end of the day, you have to ask yourself this:
    Would I be okay if I was a fan of Palmer and he did things like that?
    If your answer is yes, then you’re doing it right.

  4. switters says:

    First off I’ll say I’m not a Patreon. At some point I will become a Patreon because I love your games and want to support all your hard work. Things are a bit tight right now but hopefully won’t be in a couple of months. Your new game you’re working on looks pretty damn sweet and I want to try it out.

    My current favorite developer is Chaotic from vdate. He doesn’t use Patreon as he started his site before all the Patreon craze. He uses a monthly subscription service and is happy with the revenue he brings in. Anyway, he releases a free game for everyone and then a game where you have to be a member to play/download. His free games are just as good (if not sometimes better) than his pay games. He does a weekly blog and keeps everyone updated on things like you do. Also does polls with his game ideas, voting on which new girl he has created people want to see next, etc. He’s only a single developer (except for a couple of members who also make great games and he releases them on his site) so his releases do take some time but man are they worth it. His work has really gotten better and better. With 7 employees I’m sure you can crank out content much faster so maybe something like this could work for you. Hell you could make one free game to two Patreon only games or something like that. You’re still releasing games for free but bringing in money to pay the bills.

    Or just extend the time before releasing a game for free. Those who want to play the game immediately can become a Patreon and those who don’t/can’t afford it can wait however long you decide before releasing the game for free. Those who pay are paying for early access and those who don’t can’t really complain because they are getting it for free at some point. If you were still making games solo I could see people saying you were going back on your word but with now having 7 employees the money to pay expenses has to come from somewhere. More employees equals more content faster which is a great thing.

    I also like Morpheas’ idea. I guess it kinda depends on how fast your releasing games though. It’s great to try and please everyone but at the end of the day the Patreon members are the ones paying the bills. Without $ to pay costs you’ll be back to doing games by yourself which will greatly increase the time between game releases.

    I really loved the entire PWU game. I thought the girls were some of the hottest I’d seen in a game and I really hope to see new content added to it in the future. Thank you and your team again for your hard work on PWU and for releasing it for free. I hope you get everything figured out and are able to keep releasing awesome games.

  5. Deus Odio says:

    No one faults you for choosing what is best for the livelihood of yourself and the staff. Being self employed myself, I get it more than many others might. I have months during my busiest season where I can make as much as $15,000-20,000. I have slow months where I may see $1,000 come in. It’s the risky side of being your own boss, but dammit I love not having to answering to anyone but my customers, lol. At the end of the day though, you have to do what’s best for taking care of yourself and your team. It’s a class act move on your part to even have this dilemma, as it shows you care about keeping your word. Trusting in the respect and integrity of others is no small testament to one’s own character. Anyone that doesn’t understand and respect that has some things to learn about the world.

    I suggest an amalgamation of a few ideas expressed combined with what you currently do. You can keep new chapters Patreon exclusive until the subsequent chapter is ready, as you have been, but also, for those that might not have the stability to sub, or those that just prefer one title, you can allow them the ability to buy early access through your website. You could even offer them a DLC Pass to where they buy the game for a fixed price and it serves as a prepayment for all subsequent chapters.

    There’s a lot of flexibility in scaling a store front for your games so you can allow folks to continue to pay for early access for the titles they want early access to if they choose not to be a Patreon sub. You can even make cheats into a micro transaction, or add bonus scenes for Patreon/purchase only. It still allows you to monetize the games, yet provide the finished game free later on. I think plenty of your fans, myself included, that might not be able to sub consistently, but will have no problem purchasing access to the titles we like most on release date instead of waiting 1-3 months.

  6. Anonymous says:

    I honestly have to say as a non-patreon that your first thoughts have to be with what is best for you and the team which is ultimately ensuring that those that are subscribing to you get the best content. Situations change all the time in ways we cannot foresee. As others have said, it is one thing when it is just your time and livelihood but it is something completely different when it is the time and livelihood of employees/friends. Have you spoken with all of them, what was their opinion? (rhetorical question, not actually asking you to tell us their opinion 🙂 )

    I like the ideas that have been posted above and the idea of being able to purchase specific content at the sametime as subscribers (or slightly later if they were giving you grief for that idea) is definately something I would go for. You could even sell things like the walkthroughs for the game with a disclaimer advising that if the walkthough ended up on a public forum legal action could be taken to protect your best interests.

    Then for those who dont want to pay you go with the idea of release a game free to the public when the next game or episode is released. Again as previously stated it wont keep everyone happy but the majority of people who would be unhappy are the ones who are not helping you at the end of the day and honestly their negativaty is not something you need to worry about.

    I hope you come up with an answer that is best suited to you and the team. Keep up the amazing work and try not to lose sleep over this (because I know you dont get enough as it is)

    • JayS says:

      I agree with this statement; “Then for those who dont want to pay you go with the idea of release a game free to the public when the next game or episode is released.”
      Or even wait several episodes before the free one is released, like if its a 5 part series the first episode comes out around the time the 4th or the 5th is released and then only release the next episodes free once every quarter or so. Then it could take a whole year to get the full free version (Even if the game is not episodic your team is probably brilliant enough to make the free version as such so you can always follow the quarterly release model).
      Either way by that time you already on to the next game and it might entice people to buy instead of having to wait the whole year.
      This way you still keep your promise and you still bring in more patreons.

  7. Chauvelier says:

    Hey, I wish I could be a patron for your games, but I can’t due to the fact that a dollar is worth a lot of our currency in our country,

    Here’s my ideas for you, since I am very concerned of the situation, along with the news I’ve been hearing that patreon is going to remove adult content from their site.

    The fact that you promised that the games would be free, brought a lot of attention to me, and maybe for the others to subscribe for your content, probably a good marketing strategy to attract more audience or patrons.
    But you should use patreon on it’s potentials, like the ideas that other comments above.
    The thing is, I would agree to make walkthroughs, or Cheat Codes as Patreon Exclusive. But it kinda hurts me to see some game content not available for free, since I can’t afford it anyways.
    I know that my opinion wouldn’t matter for you, since I don’t pay you at all, and I get the beautiful stuff you made for free. But one thing is for sure, your games would be less likely be pirated by others, where some certain majority would prefer to get your stuff for free than to pay you.
    I’ve loved your games, I’ve always had. As long you keep doing what’s right, try to experiment a little or change some stuff.
    Too bad that I can’t support your games since it’s hard to earn a dollar in my country.

    – Regards from Asia

  8. Palmer says:

    Thanks to all of you for your detailed and well thought out comments. I truly appreciate it. All of it will naturally be taken under advisement when we decide how to move forward from here.

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In the pipeline

A first concept of the character we want for our first full classical eroge visual novel!

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  1. Chilidog says:

    Yes, please.

  2. Chilidough says:

    Yes, please.

  3. Anonymous says:

    3rd game in the works ? nice!

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Daughter for Dessert v.1.0.0 released to $10 patrons

I’m so proud to announce that the first release of Daughter for Dessert has now been released to $10 patrons. The team has worked incredibly hard to make this happen so fast after Play with Us! Episode 2, and they deserve a lot of credit. As I’ve previously said, this is a series that will be updated monthly, meaning it’s a work constantly in progress.

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3 Comments on “Daughter for Dessert v.1.0.0 released to $10 patrons

  1. Jake says:

    When I play play with us 2 I get these black boxes over the characters can you help me telling what is wrong

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Coming to $10 patrons within days

The first chapter of what is supposed to be a long running series with updates at least every single month is coming very soon. By constantly updating the story, you always have something to look forward to! Expect about 30+ minutes of gameplay in this episode and hopefully for all future ones.

Can’t wait for you guys to play it!

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  1. Clothes says:

    Can’t you make the games available on smartphone please ?

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